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  Please help non jw in love with a studying jw

  by heather613 in

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  i was engaged to a man and was pregnant last year we lived in different states for awhile when he started studying jw without even telling me.

  he lied to me about why he couldn't move with me and after 5 months he finally did then out of nowhere he went back to georgia and hid his relationship with a female jw needless to say they got married.

  when i ofund out by calling around he told me it was for convience not love and that he would divorce her he was having alot of problems and didn't want to hurt me.

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  drew sagan

  Heather,

  The life you wish to have with this man simply will never be anything close to what you hope it would be. If he is currently married and then divorces he will be either disfellowshipped or heavily reproved (kind of a public shaming without the shunning). It's a gamble, you never know what is going to happen.

  It's not just that he cheated on you, it is also the way that he did. Plus the fact that he has no job, a crimal record and now a hisotry of manipulative behavior.

  You continue to turn to the future hoping the past will fade away. You reason that the JWs the main thing standing in the way. That is simply not true. The JWS are just one part of the problem (and possibly a small part). If this man is telling you your future relationship depends upon him being able to patch things up in the JW religion then I'm sorry girl but this relationship is just going to continue running in circles. He is using the JWs as a way to manipulate you and avoid commitment. At this point you seriously cannot trust anything this man says.

  If he really wants to marry you, let him make the effort to do so. If you have to find all kinds of ways in order to 'reason' with him as to why the two of you need to be married you are headed for disaster. You may be able to convince him to marry you but even then his manipulative behavior will continue. Troubble is it's not something he has chosen to do. Sure he may say he want's to, but his actions show that he could care less.

  At the very least just tell him what you want and what he must be doing in order for your relationship to work (job, divoce other wife, other). Then wait for him to make the move. Quit lowering yourself down to his level.
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  Triblulation is upon us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by unbaptized in

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  the signs are becoming more and more clear.

  violent crimes are increasing and lawlessness is the thing of the day.

  people are starting to lose their minds due to the increasing job loss and economic hardship.

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  drew sagan

  Billy the Ex-Bethelite,

  In reading around on the net once I actually saw a JW who used what I posted above as an argument for why we should "heed the warning" the WTS gives
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  I am considering disassociation. Those who already have please reply.

  by The Berean in

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  drew sagan

  Gordy how awful! There are no words...
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  Triblulation is upon us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by unbaptized in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the signs are becoming more and more clear.

  violent crimes are increasing and lawlessness is the thing of the day.

  people are starting to lose their minds due to the increasing job loss and economic hardship.

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  drew sagan

  You know what they say about the boy who cried wolf...

  Eventually one day he was RIGHT!

  THE END IS NEAR
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  I am considering disassociation. Those who already have please reply.

  by The Berean in

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  drew sagan

  I had no family inside the organization. After I DA'd my wife was eventually DF'd. Some of her family was inside the organization. Her parents have since lightened up a great deal (especially after we had our first baby) but her sister still does not speak to her. We recieved one phone call from the Elders since my wife was DF'd right after we had the baby. They wanted to know if they could stop by for a visit. My wife declined but said they could call her on the phone, they never did. Her mother continues to invite her to the memorial each year but that is about it. JWs typically put their heads down or find another way to pretend they don't see us when we are out in public (we live in a neighborhood with a number of JWs close by).

  Neither of us had an extensive network of famliy members and friends inside the org. Additinally both of us were well out of the organzation by the time I DA'd myself. I suppose it would have been a very differant situation had I gone ahead with DA before my wife was ready to leave.
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  Did you get a memorial invite this year?

  by drew sagan in

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  for some reason i almost half expected to get one this year (from the elders).

  my mother-in-law invited my wife which i assume inlcuded me.

  the last memorial i attended was in 2006, seems like so long ago.... so how many here actucally got some "encouragement" this year?

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  drew sagan

  Just found the referance. It's basically a reminder that appears every year in the KM during the "memorial season":

  *** km 9/05 p. 7 Announcements ***
  ? The elders are reminded to follow through on instructions given on pages 21-3 of the April 15, 1991, Watchtower regarding any disfellowshipped or disassociated ones who may be inclined toward becoming reinstated.

  Notice how it mentions "ones who may be inclined toward becoming reinstated". I suppose that puts us off of the list
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  Did you get a memorial invite this year?

  by drew sagan in

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  for some reason i almost half expected to get one this year (from the elders).

  my mother-in-law invited my wife which i assume inlcuded me.

  the last memorial i attended was in 2006, seems like so long ago.... so how many here actucally got some "encouragement" this year?

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  drew sagan

  I believe there are instructions from the society that states elders should go around and visit DF'd and DA'd people during this time. I don't have the referance.
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  Did you get a memorial invite this year?

  by drew sagan in

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  2. friends

  for some reason i almost half expected to get one this year (from the elders).

  my mother-in-law invited my wife which i assume inlcuded me.

  the last memorial i attended was in 2006, seems like so long ago.... so how many here actucally got some "encouragement" this year?

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  drew sagan

  For some reason I almost half expected to get one this year (from the Elders). My mother-in-law invited my wife which I assume inlcuded me. The last memorial I attended was in 2006, seems like so long ago...

  So how many here actucally got some "encouragement" this year? We haven't had any JWs here since I DA'd and my wife was DF'd in 06. We did get a phone call sometime after our son was born last septmenber.
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  Why all the hard work?

  by Chalam in

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  most here know that the teaching of the wt contradictory, deceitful and unbiblical.. there are many who have left the kingdom hall either physically or just mentally.. .

  however, why does the hard work of cd-rom searching, nwt cross referencing and such continue for many?.

  these are some possible reasons i guess.. 1. you want to expose the false wt doctrine even further or just learn the full extent of the deception?.

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  drew sagan

  My wife has family members inside the group. I don't spend much time thinking about the JWs, but it does seem that every "memorial season" since we have left I brush up on my knowledge of all things JW. I do enjoy analyzing the group however. IMO there simply has not been a comprehensive publication of any sort that truely gets to the heart of the movement. This board has become somewhat of an encyclopedia of sorts in which great ideas and insights become amalgamated.
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  Should Pot Be Legalized?

  by minimus in

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  i don't smoke anything but i know many that do--- some frequently, most infrequently.. personally, i don't see much difference between drinking alcohol and pot use.. should pot be legalized?.

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  drew sagan

  Another thing to consider is the effect criminalization has upon the social classes effected by drugs. Those on the lowest rung of the socio-economic ladder suffer from drugs the most. Not only have they suffered under major forms of governmental economic segregation they then are criminalized when substance abuse prolierates their communities. Current drug policies seek nothing more than to kick the poor while they are already face down in the dirt. The end result has stirred fear and resentment of the lower classes among those who are "above" such situation.